Sunday, July 24, 2005

British terror police face shooting backlash

Cry me a river...

Police chiefs investigating the London bomb blasts were under growing pressure on Sunday over the shooting dead of an innocent man as they faced a backlash from the Muslim community and some politicians.

The controversy surrounding the shooting on Friday of Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian electrician living in London, is a serious setback for the capital's police, who are trying to build trust with British Muslims to gain vital intelligence on extremist elements. Last night police made a third arrest in connection with the July 21 attempted suicide bombings.

On Sunday, ministers and senior police officers defended a policy of shooting dead individuals suspected of being suicide bombers, in spite of calls from British Muslim groups, human rights bodies and politicians for a public inquiry.

This clown was behaving in a suspicious manner. He was wearing a heavy bulky coat in mid summer. He was seen coming out of a house that was under surveillance for possible terrorist links. He ran away from the cops. He has no one to blame but himself for his death. Had he stopped, when told to do so, he'd be alive today. End of story!


At 8:26 PM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

Jihad Suicide by Cop? Take the xcrutiny off the Muslims and return it to the Police? Wasn't there a Muslim Arab Leader conference earlier this year in Brazillia, Brazil? Was not Brazillia designed by Oscar Niemeyer, a communist architect, who was deported to the U.S.S.R. some years ago? Sometimes one must sit away from the screen to see the bigger picture.
Survival Rights Trump Civil Rights.

At 7:13 AM, Anonymous WM said...

They were totally justified in pulling the trigger ... several times over!!

At 7:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stevereno said...

1) Where did the Brazillian move from?

Fact: Islam is activly converting South American and recruiting them for their cause.

2) Had he converted to Islam before coming to the UK?

3) Did he attend a Mosque in the UK?

4) If he attended a Mosque in the UK was it the same Mosque as the UK bombers?

I haven't heard the Legacy Media ask any of these questions. Why not?

At 9:31 AM, Anonymous WM said...

I think all these questions are irrelevant, since there was no time to ask the lad his position ... not that he stopped to answer questions anyway!

At 4:41 PM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

Some answers for WM:
British Muslim leader denies that mosques have a duty to moderate the views of jihadists

I routinely insist here that the sincerity of Muslim denunciations of terrorism can be measured by the actual efforts of the denouncer to refute jihadism
within his own community, and turn jihadists from the alleged error of their ways. But here is an imam in Britain who denies that mosques have a duty to
turn jihadists away from violence. "One Young Man's Concern on Extremism," from Scheherezade Faramarzi in
with thanks to Matthew:
Block quote start
LEEDS, England (AP) - Nineteen-year-old Fazel, a British-born Muslim who is angry about his ``immoral'' surroundings, seems ripe for the picking by the
recruiters of Islamic extremism. ``I would go if they approached me,'' he says.

``I want to get away from here. I don't have a job. I want to learn everything about Islam,'' said Fazel, who refused to divulge his last name during an
interview Saturday at a mosque here. His remarks suggested he hoped to find his way to a Muslim country where he could further study the religion and develop
his beliefs....
Block quote end

Fazel seems to equate learning more about Islam with going deeper into the world of jihadist violence. Now why is that?
Block quote start
Islamic radicals inside the British Muslim community who are searching for men to become suicide attackers or foot soldiers in the global jihad are thought
to recruit disaffected young men like Fazel, sending them for religious or military training in Islamic countries....

Despite the young man's growing contempt for Western mores, Fazel said he disagreed with the London subway and bus bombings because ``Islamic scholars said
it was wrong.'' The attackers ``should have talked to more educated people.''

But he also denounced Prime Minister Tony Blair's characterization that the bombers were inspired by an ``evil ideology.''

``The evil programs on TV, the music, the literature, the magazines ... are all responsible for the terrorist attacks. People are becoming rebellious because
they are against fornication, gambling, alcohol,'' Fazel said.

``Until they get rid of Eminem and Marilyn Manson, they can't get rid of our preachers,'' he added.
Block quote end

Moral equivalence aside: those who equate Christian and Muslim "fundamentalists" should note that Christians who oppose Eminem, Marilyn Manson, fornication,
gambling and alcohol are not resorting to suicide bombing.
Block quote start
Fazel called himself a former ``kafar,'' Arabic for an infidel who did not fear God, and said he once enjoyed drinking with his friends and the company
of young women.

Then, in the aftermath of Sept. 11, he read about al-Qaida and its leader, Osama bin Laden.

Images of the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsing, he said, fueled his curiosity about the faith of his ancestors.

``Allah pointed me to him (bin Laden),'' said Fazel, dressed in a white shalwar kameez, the traditional loose tunic-and-trouser common to men in South Asia.

Three years later, he said, an angel spoke to him.

``I needed change. Drugs and alcohol did me no good,'' he said.

The young man denied that he was confused about his faith and asserted just as vehemently that he did not ``give a damn about the world.''

Fazel said he has not told his parents about turning to his deepest Islamic roots. Like many of his peers who also were born of immigrant Muslim parents,
Fazel has found difficulty integrating into British society and expresses a sense of displacement and alienation.

Zahir Birawi, an official at the mosque where Fazel was interviewed, later said he had seen the young man a few times at prayers and assured a reporter
that Fazel's views were not normal.

Birawi said it was not the duty of the mosque to change the views of those who came to worship.

``We have no classes for these things,'' said Birawi, but ``we will make it a priority to try to answer his questions'' about Islam.
Block quote end

Gee, thanks. But what if he doesn't ask?
Block quote start
Birawi said officials at the mosque would tell the police about Fazel if his views did not moderate.

While Fazel at one point declared he wanted nothing but to leave Britain, he subsequently indicated some confusion about the future.

If he did not manage to go to Afghanistan or was not recruited by extremists, Fazel said would be just happy settling down here to try to change society
from the inside.

``The best thing is to marry a couple of wives and have many children because I think it's wise to increase the population of my umma (people) and raise
the number of Muslim members of parliament.

``We want to have more say in Parliament.''
Block quote end

Watch this man.
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