Saturday, January 07, 2006

Advocacy Group Calls on State and Federal Agencies to Investigate;Uninsured Mother Discharged for Lack of Insurance

Shooting victim Ruby Cintron to get the medical attention she needs.

The Consejo was told about Ms. Cintron's plight yesterday by El Nuevo Dia newspaper and immediately made plans to have the woman treated in South Florida. She was admitted to a hospital in West Palm Beach late last night.

"We are pleased to announce that Ruby is in good hands and getting the treatment she deserves," said Forbes. "Preliminarily, it looks like Ms.Cintron may qualify for Medicaid. Orlando Regional allegedly never bothered to send a social worker to help her apply for state and federal programs."

18 Comments:

At 11:29 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

I highly suggest all to read the full story. Why? The "advocacy group" named, was one of the signatories listed on an opposition letter to the President and Congress. This letter opposes ANY changes to the current "open dorr" policy regarding Illegal Aliens. Furthermore, the other signatories include, but are not limited to, the ACLU, La Raza, Mexican Defense Fund (MDF), the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA), and Catholic Charities. Don't fall for this garbage.
Next, the article states the patient "needs" certain care, implying neglect by ORMC. Further in this diatribe, the author quotes one of the "advocates" as saying "...care she deserves". Huh? Not until the final paragraph does one find out she is "married". Only because her "husband" is listed by name. If the implication is marriage, then why are their last names different, and why is she (the patient) refered to as "Ms."? Additionally, her "man" is a small business owner....hmmm MANY MANY companies specialize in insuring the self employed. Other idiosyncracies (sp?) throughout the article. For instance, reports say she was struck by a .45 caliber round. Hmmm, a .45 round that can travel up to 10 miles? Arc and velocity aside...hmmm. High winds at altitude?? Once again, we see the "entitlement mentality" projected by the "victimization of a woman". Is there a language barrier with the patient? It is ORMC's fault for NOT sending a social worker home?? Emergency Departments across the ENTIRE nation, in particular, ED's which have a high "alien" catchment are experiencing strains and unwarranted scrutiny by these Latin and Hispanic patient "advocacy" extortionists.
Who owns El Nuevo anyways? Or, who uses an Americanized name to write for the Setinel, and their Spanish name to write for Nuevo? How many "advocacy" letters have been received by ORMC, or any number of healthcare facilities, from Mexican and/or Puerto Rican Consulates? Mexico has been spearheading this "advocacy" throughout the United States since the mid '90's. Similar letters, read nearly identical, were sent to ALL the major national/ regional newspapers since 2000. All the local consulates had to do was change the title/name of sender. And each sender, well, sent each others letters to each others papers and catchments. (Don't believe me, it's ok. Find it yourself.)
Additionally, what is her status anyway? I bet a suit is coming for ORMC. Don't fall for this crap!
When does Charity become theft or extortion?

 
At 11:57 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

...Read up on the numerous closings of Florida Emergency Departments on WorldNet Daily.... search this:
"Doctors who treat uninsured patients are not compensated for their treatment.

As a result, hospitals in Florida have lost surgeons and stand to lose entire surgical departments. Some hospitals are having a hard time getting physicians
to work because they are choosing to work in other areas where they will be fully compensated for the treatment they give.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, a study by a prominent medical attorney concludes the porous border with Mexico and the resulting influx of illegal
aliens poses a major public health threat to the U.S.

Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of
a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons,
is particularly concerned with increases in multiple drug-resistant tuberculosis, chagas disease, dengue fever, polio, hepatitis A, B, and C, she told Lou
Dobbs on CNN in June.

"Certain diseases that we thought we had vanquished years ago are coming back, and other diseases that we've never seen or rarely seen in America, because
they've always been the diseases of poverty and the third world, are coming in now," she said.

As
WorldNetDaily reported,
even leprosy is suddenly on the radar of health officials.

Cosman recommends closing the border to all illegal traffic, rescinding the citizenship of "anchor babies," those born in the U.S. to parents of illegals,
and making the aiding and abetting of illegals a crime."

...just this month as a matter of fact.

Wake up sheeple.

 
At 1:57 PM, Anonymous bill "tears in my eyes" clinton said...

Screw compassion. It's time for some tough love. She got the basics as prescribed by law. ORMC did all that's required. If she wants more care, let her go back to the workers paradise in Mexico, or let her get some help from the wonderfully enlightened Canadians.

 
At 10:35 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

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At 2:21 PM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

The Executive director of Consejo de Latino Unitos has sued hospitals not discounting to uninsured Latinos throughout the entire Estado Unitos. From California (check out their health cost over runs), Catholic Hospitals, South Florida Hospitals, and others. Is ORMC next? Here's a statement from South Florida Hospitals:
"PR Newswire

MIAMI, April 30 /PRNewswire/ -- The following was released today by Linda S. Quick of the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association:

"It is a shame K.B. Forbes, leader of Consejo de Latinos Unidos, has decided to clog up our legal system with frivolous lawsuits instead of encouraging
patients to enter into a meaningful dialogue with hospital administrators about their concerns.

"On a daily basis, hospitals provide discounts to those patients willing to provide them with the information needed to determine eligibility. Some hospitals
have formal policies, and others handle it on a case-by-case basis. But the result is the same: uninsured patients receive quality healthcare and receive
discounted rates for that care.

"Contrary to what continues to be implied, uninsured patients do not pay more for care than those patients with insurance. In Florida, hospitals collect
less than 10 percent of charges from uninsured patients, and in South Florida, many hospitals collect less than that. In fact, South Florida hospitals
tended to more than 55,000 cases, during a one-year period, without receiving any compensation for them.

"On January 29, 2004, we issued a statement that posed some important and relevant questions about K.B. Forbes' and Consejo de Latinos Unidos' real agenda.
Still today, those questions remain unanswered. Mr. Forbes and Consejo de Latinos Unidos cannot be considered credible advocates for the uninsured until
they fully answer the questions posed in our January 29, 2004 statement. We believe if those questions are answered completely and truthfully, we will
find the real agenda Mr. Forbes is advocating.

* Who is funding the six-figure advertising campaigns the organization is promoting?

* Who is funding Mr. Forbes' cross-country travel? * Who is paying the lawyers to file the lawsuits?

"Special interest groups or frivolous lawsuits should not distract us from our mission -- assuring every American has access to affordable healthcare coverage."
The South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association

CONTACT: Linda S. Quick, President of the South Florida Hospital andHealthcare Association, +1-954-964-1660

Source: PR Newswire"

 
At 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sick Boy:
Why don't you change your name to
"Racist Copy/Paste Boy".

To you, everything has to do with race (against latins), don't bring up your cuban neighbor either.....

If they followed the rules, fine, if they did not, let them pay the consequences. Somebody will stand up for the person for the publicity alone (ACLU/NAACP/MDF, etc..)......

 
At 7:52 PM, Blogger wayTOtheRIGHT said...

keep with the click and paste sicko.

let the facts fly my informed up to your eyeballs friend.

isnt funny how when you give them the truth in fact (thus the need to click and paste our lefty brother) we become racist/haters.

keep pluggin in the facts sicko you are doin a great job.

 
At 8:44 PM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

"Sick Boy:
Why don't you change your name to
"Racist Copy/Paste Boy".

To you, everything has to do with race (against latins), don't bring up your cuban neighbor either.....

If they followed the rules, fine, if they did not, let them pay the consequences. Somebody will stand up for the person for the publicity alone (ACLU/NAACP/MDF,
etc..)......"

...and now, the Jan Hall treatment begins. Here's some consejo for you: Don't embarrass yourself. It isn't about race, it is about right versus wrong. P.S You're correct, my neighbors aren't Cuban. My street is very "diverse", one Puerto Rican retired lady, one Puerto Rican family son in Afghanistan, father a Veteran, a retired Norweigin (sp?) Grandmother, a biracial family, a family from Massacheussetts, and my family. No problemo with anyone. So before you go around spitting your septic hatred, get consejo. So I close with this again:
When does Charity become theft or extortion? When Sinn Fein starts advocating for Illegal Irish Alien medical care, you let me know. I'll jump on that too.

 
At 2:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will say that sick boy and way to the right almost (I restate ALMOST) make me embarrased to be a republican. I am the farthest thing from a democrat OR a liberal. But sick boy's comments (and consequently, way's agreeing, talk about a kool aid drinker!) are VERY RACIST. I agree that everyone should be treated the SAME. This is not what either of you want (I do know how to read between the lines). As for Way's comment, I read all I can every day, I am a full blown conservative republican, and I believe in equality to ALL who are in this country LEGALLY, I am sure if it was up to both of you, a little "cleansing" would be in order. I am sure I'll hear from Jim in PA soon, who is the biggest racist of you bunch. See how the other shoe fits sometimes gentlemen, it is largely because of your ATTITUDE that a lot of foreigners consider us "ugly americans". We are no better than anyone, we are all created EQUAL. Yes, we do have to fight the fight sometimes (and I fully agree/support our President on this issue), but I have seen first hand how we put some people off by our attitude, even in their own country!!!

"Do unto others"... REMEMBER THAT!!


As for my comments of copy/paste... I have already read that.... give us YOUR commments/views, not someone else's........

 
At 5:19 PM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

Dear whomever,
Racism is when one advocates the superiority of one race as opposed to another. Are all the Economists who have studied the Illegal Alien extortion, and subsequently found, through facts and number crunching racist? Or, does opinion and emotion trump facts, ergo your ad hominim attacks being thrust upon those who advocate responsibility and adherence to United States Code and Law. In my opinion, I do not think you are a "conservative Republican". Please save the "Do unto others..." La Raza and other Illegal Alien advocacy groups are working for "Reconquista". Some have tagged along for other Socialist reasons. i.e. redistribution of wealth, "diversity", and "refuge" for the "persecuted. Maybe you should re examine President Bush's social spending, pandering to Latinos, failure to close the back door, the selling out of "Free Trade" for the United States through CAFTA and the FTAA. Blonde, brunette, or red head, black, yellow, or white...sit down, shut up, and work- Legally. Guess you missed the hundreds, if not thousands, of articles pertaining to the Reconquista, La Raza's "our nation", the slams made by U.S. Congressmen, while in I think Honduras maybe Colombia, calling Tancredo, and others, racist because the United States is being invaded, and bled dry, by Illegals. You're argument does not hold water factually. It is solely based in emotion. Guess what, I didn't give to the Tsunami fund either.
Finally, cut and paste only reinforces the statements/opinions I voice. I am not perfect, there was only one perfect person. Unfortunately, He questioned "authority", was smeared, arrested, beaten by officers, and crucified. Yes, we should all treat others as we would like to be treated; Equally. Remember, render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's. Render unto God, that which is His? If one child cut your grass, under the agreement you would pay him $1, and another child comes up to the former demanding $1- Who gets the dollar? The one who earned it, or the other because he thinks it is owed to him? Additionally, I ask you this, if someone came to your door, demanding $1, do you give it to him, or give him 25 cents to go buy a book to read about how to earn $1? Which is charity? Is one charity worth more than another? I say yes. Giving the child 25 cents is worth more...much more. "Give a man a fish feed him for the day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."
By your anger, and personal attacks, I suspect you believe charity is NEVER enough. In my humble opinion, you should volunteer to do the books at a local medical center, fill out insurance claims, and look into the run logs of local EMS. Who would pay if no one would work? Those who are successful and motivated? Or, just the one's who don't belong to La Raza? Careful how you answer, you might be surprised.
P.S.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul will only piss Peter off. Turning the other cheek means to meet on equal footing.
AI suspect the name calling will continue. That's ok. Hundreds of thousands have sacrificed, including me, for your right to be wrong. Pretty diverse opinions don't ya think??

 
At 9:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sicko:
Once again you are making assumptions of me and latin people as a whole.
Mrs. Cintron is married to a Puerto Rican (I am not sure where she is from), that makes is COMPLETELY LEGAL for her to reside in the US, so disparaging comments about south americans, et al do not come into play here. She is allowed to live here, work here (her and her husband do own a small business), and if she ends up in the hospital and is under or un-insured entitled to the care the hospital has agreed by law to do. More information is coming out as to the level of care she received by the hospital, but they fell short on the paperwork/information area.

I do agree that everyone should work and pay their own way, I do not agree at all with wealth redistribution, I am not a socialist.

I am not a mexican, I do not belong to any latin groups (La Raza, etc), and I think that the "Reconquista" you speak of are scare tactics on the EXTREME right (yes, they are nutcases same as the EXTREME left). Not EVERYONE in Mexico is lining up to leave their country and come to the US. Many make a decent living, some make a great living, and many do scrape by, but would rather be in their country than in the US. Yes, there are many that do come to the US.
I do believe that education is the biggest way to help people help THEMSELVES.
I do not beleive in taking from the rich to give to the poor.
I do believe that everyone should be treated the SAME given the rules of the game, I do not believe in cheating, I am FOR agressive immigration policy/laws, and YES, I believe that a fence should be built, both north and south.
I don't see you complaining of Eastern European ILLEGALS?

 
At 10:20 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

Dear whomever,
Please inform me of deroggatory remarks? I listened to Bud's softball "interview" with KB. The patient is from Ecuador. Married to a Puerto Rican, with children. She is reportedly in the U.S. as a "legal resident". Would the 14th Amendment be applicable? Don't answer, contemplate the words, "...jurisdiction thereof...". As I PREVIOUSLY posted, when Sinn Fein, Romanian consulates, heck even Chinese or Arab's begin to "advocate" special "rights" and / or priviledges for their constituents, and the aforementioned peoples have their stories posted on this Blog...stand by for the same outrage from me. To address your disregard for the legitimacy of the Reconquista I offer this, macro to micro analysis. First, Is it so "kooky" that California, for example, has a collapsing infrastructure due to Illegal Aliens from Mexico (primary)? Have you driven I5 or I8? Exited around San Ysidro? Read about the hundreds of private medical treatment facilities closing due to overwhelming EMS being used as Primary Care taxi's? All the while screaming for, and I'll use KB Forbes words here, "discounted and affordable health care..."... Now I think we've have a bit of thread drift here... New York, California, Texas, and Florida (estimated to have nearly 900,000 Illegal Aliens within her borders. #3 in the nation.) have or will have failing health care systems. This isn't about Latin's, Hispanics, Afros, Caucasian, Oriental, any number of other racial/ethnic "problem". This is an American problem. It just so happens people from South and Central America, Mexico, and Hispanics dominate the "Illegal Alien" catchment. Guess what, Microsoft is the BIGGEST H1B Visa practitioner in the ENTIRE U.S.... (and who was on the cover of Time last month?) Yet, the Indians and Asians employed by Bill pay for their care. The job issue is another enabler in this raping of Peter to pay Paul. (HMO's and others vs Consejo des Latinos Unidos (United Latins for Education)) ) YOU do your own research, YOU look it up.
*Who funds CLU?
* Why didn't KB mention he has done this ALL over the U.S.?
* Does CLU receive guidance and / or support from ANY consulate and/or foreign official?
* Who acted as interpreter for Ruby? Mistranslation of "procedure" versus "examination"? ("Medico" is "Doctor" correct vice "medical" correct?
* Who will have to "pay" for the "discounted" care CLU has extorted from ORMC?
Now, the medical aspect:
Just because a patient has "pain" doesn't mean an automatic "extended stay" in a facility. Pain is Pain. Pain is subjective. A repair to her globe and or retina etc usually, per "usual fashion" warrants only an "overnight stay". Even if she had a scleral buckle, vitrectomy, gas implantation, and has an Intraoccular Lense exchange,..."overnight". Hell yeah, she'll be in pain. Take some "T3", or Percocet, face down attitude, no straining, follow up in 72 - 96 hours. In addition to her orbit and face hurting, her neck would be soon to follow. In other words, it is completely NORMAL to have "pain" and even some nausea and vomiting, treated with usual anti emetics, post invasive occular surgery. (Some people whine about a paper cut don't they? If so, please define "pain".)
Hopefully, she will have some vision in her eye. if the retina doesn't scar too much, she may just have a little "dot" in her peripheral vision, unless the fovea was damaged.
Ahh I digress.
Information on "Reconquista": NUMEROUS books...Mexifornia, Alien Nation, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder, Enemy Within, hell even Dennis Miller referenced immigration in his book. Sites: FAIR, VDARE, Yuma Sun, San Diego papers, Chicago Tribune, Washington Times and Post, SF Gate etc. and a whole slew of others. If you really concerned with the pandering, I suggest you also consult the Orlando Archdiocese (Catholic). The U.S. Catholic Bishops, according to a few articles, may be the biggest enabler of them all. Don't believe me? Read your weekly bulletin more carefully, and pay attention the Homily closer. Right wing are they? You decide.
La Raza is primarily Latino based, but with the synergy of "popular movements" they have allowed Hispanics to jump aboard. Read up on the medical center being built in Tiajuana by a rival politcal party in Mexico. This post could go on, factually, for pages and pages.
In conclusion, my views are for equality for ALL, in the sense of the founders of the United States. I do not subscribe to "liberal white guilt". It is right versus wrong. Charity shouldn't be used as an extortionist tool. I hope the patient recovers. I hope Floridians wake up to the robbery taking place. I think ORMC caved due to guilt tripping. (I bet a family member signed a consent form somewhere along the line too). ...and "Bruce" was correct in his analysis of ol' Bud's interview with KB.... bias and weak. TOO many unanswered relevant questions about the root issue and pending collapse of Florida Health Care and NUMEROUS issues due to uncontrolled immigration and pandering to the "oppressed", "persecuted", "undocumented", "Migrants", etc etc etc.
Ever see the movie, "Perfect Storm"? Funny how ALL these issues came about from an unfortunate accident on New Year's. ...just ONE incident, at random. Think there's a problem?? Perfect Storm?? Check into the alien who couldn't pay his bill in Georgia, a million bucks worth, but retained an AILA attorney. ...and the language "barrier" was mentioned also...consent..."care deserved" too....
Have a nice day. :)

 
At 8:58 AM, Blogger wayTOtheRIGHT said...

well sicko i guess the facts trumped again.

they cannot get it through their thick skulls.

thank you again for your amazing knowledge to put up and airtight argument for the good guys and not allow the emotion of the moment dictate the outcome.

keep up the good work my friend.

 
At 10:41 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

Here's one for all those who don't think I am an equal opportunity skeptic. Ever hear of "Operation Iraqi Asylum"? Check it out for yourself. Be Safe.

 
At 8:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sicko:
It is incredible that you cannot see the forest for the trees. You have not even touched on my point. I believe in equality for everyone, and I do not expect or demand different treatment for anyone. My comments are directed at your assumptions and biased opinions (and your lap dog Mr. Way) towards LATINS. Where you state about this lady being a "legal resident". By using quotation marks, you are questioning the legality of her residency. The mere fact that her husband is from Puerto Rico, makes her a legal resident (no quotes needed).
If you really believe these conspiracy theories, you are in in need of some professional help. People (most)come here to work, the ones that do so illegally do so because they cannot get a visa, etc. and yes, they are on the bottom of the ladder when it comes to economic and educational status. And yes, there are groups that will use them as martyrs to advance their own power and agenda. I have full knowledge of all that.
Do not discount your comments as not being racist. Change the latin name with something else and think about it... you will see how truly off-base you are with your comments.

 
At 7:37 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

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At 9:35 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

I agree, the legal immigrant starts, typically, at the bottom...Good. At the turn of the 20th Century, when my family came to the United States, they also started at the bottom...Good. Builds character. No VISA? No Entrada Period. Theives and extortionists are NOT a martyr's equivalent. Being villified for ones beliefs constitutes martyrdom, especially when said belief can be factually supported and logically proven. You affirm that, and I paraphrase: You know most of the facts. I submit, you choose to ignore the facts when they are juxtaposed to your beliefs. (Psst, did you confirm the 9% ruling minority in Mexico yet?) You obviously did not read any of my posts IBID. If you did, you didn't want to/or refused to verify and/or consider all points along the presented array. Sequence. Sequence. Sequence. Hear about Anthony Romero (Head of ACLU), La Raza's chick, and the Spokesman for the U.S . Bishop's news conference affirming their "unity" for Illegal Alien immigration? (Pssst, how's the "immigration" thing working out for Europe and Scandinavia?) Don't see the European Catholic Church supporting illegal immigration do you? Gee, wonder why... Latin American Catholics were "upset" that a Latin wasn't elected as Pope, they would of settled for the Cardinal from Africa, forgive me I don't remember his name. The U.S. Bishops, for the most part, are immensely more "liberal" versus the European Bishops. Hence, why not capitalize upon their resevoir from down south? Teach Paul to rob Peter, and Viola! Instant constituency. (Psss, the Democratic Party did this with black Americans already.) Don't think so? Read up on the transformation of the GOP's immigration platform statement. Compare and contrast the 1984 against the 2004...YOU decide. Are they martyring the "persecuted" and "oppressed" too? Racist?
Ever consider "If you can't beat them out, breed them out"? Is this a racist statement also? Reread the history of land warfare. I'll streamline it for you, read about the Muslim armies and the Chinese. Are white Harvard Professors wrong when they theorize a genetic predisposition, supported by facts, to IQ scores, social traits, and other inherent differences between the races racists also? Conspiracy? Thus, your assumption that I am a defacto racist because I either have read, or in some cases, support similar positions as some of the authors or economists. Ergo, guilt by association. Ever read Trotsky? Check him out. Your traits are in line. Hmmm, he died in Mexico did he not? Just a thought.
*sic* *sic* Sorry, had to take another dose of Halcion. Whew. Better now.
Is the AP not in on the tempering of the United States? WHy then in the last 18 months, did they go from, "Illegal Alien" to "Illegal Immigrant" to "Undocumented Alien" to "Undocumented Worker" to "Migrant"? Projection? (Consult Marx or Trotsky) I suspect, you support the "Guest WOrker" program also. Oh, BTW did you Google "Operation Iraqi Asylum" yet? Are they still "persecuted" and "oppressed" too? No, I submit you have not. Will you remain silent when the "uppity Indoneasians" come here in mass?
It is about the ability to maintain the same quality of life for the United States, not importing the Third World's poverty, thereby reducing ALL wages. Racist huh? "To be or not to be, that is the question. Whether tis more noble to suffer the slings and arrows, or to take arms against...". Does thou protest too much? ;)
Am I a sexist too? I put "man" in quotations also. Deny and villify. It's cool.
P.S. The American Psychiatric Association is considerinh adding "extreme bias" and "extreme views" to their list of "disorder". Hmmm. (Pssst, all it takes for ANYONE to be committed is for a Medical Doctor to diagnose someone. (Try and sign a refusal for care statement after being severely injured, or less for that matter. and now comes the argument for "reasonable" and symptomatic etc.) Defacto Censorship and potential racism? Is not racism, or the projection of racism, not an "extreme bias"? (Pssst, what happened in Germany in the 1930's?) After the Juden, those with "mental disabilities" were next, followed by those with extreme views (Is there a difference in the latter two? Why or why not?) Follow the array. Stay on target Luke. If all IBID is false, or embellished, please calm the water and settle the silt.
(staring into space.....) Oh, I'm sorry, it was the Halcion... (wwiping drool) Ahh, that's better.
Step back from the pixels to view the entire image. Some issues are synergy. Other are concerted. Both are dangerous. When I get to the top, and the rock rolls back down, I'll start over again....and again....and again....
Oops, forgot the changing of Latin names...
WAgain, re read comments IBID re: Sinn Fein, Romanian, Bulgarian, etc. When they dominate the "Alien" catchment, and advocate for said catchments, stand by to rock and roll. Can't get VISA's? Wah.
I ask you this, is it ok for a rapist to circumvent the law? Even if the assailed says, "No!" Or, does their "No! really mean "Yes!"? Bad question? Ok...Extreme? Sexist?
***ad hominim attacks will probably continue. BFD. address the points I addressed, factually. until then. your intentional vacancy will exclude further discussion.***

 
At 9:39 AM, Blogger Sick Boy said...

Addendum to IBID: If Puerto Rico is part of the United States, then why do they send their own team to the Olympics? (Guess that Independence thing fizzled after their attempted assasination of President Truman at the Blair House in 1950. Will Ponce learn anything? Just a thought...

 

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