Tuesday, December 20, 2005

Thank You for Wiretapping

Check out today's WSJ Editorial...

Why the Founders made presidents dominant on national security.

Wisconsin Democrat Russ Feingold wants to be President, and that's fair enough. By all means go for it in 2008. The same applies to Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who's always on the Sunday shows fretting about the latest criticism of the Bush Administration's prosecution of the war on terror. But until you run nationwide and win, Senators, please stop stripping the Presidency of its Constitutional authority to defend America.


At 12:57 PM, Blogger Matthew said...

Did they? Closer examination of Article I of the Constitution outlines point by point the war-making powers vested in Congress (not the President). Article II simply states that he is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. Nothing in there about circumventing due process, such as going to the courts for warrants for searches and wiretaps. Referencing precedent among previous Presidents going back to Roosevelt may make your argument stronger than referring to a Constitution that specifically gives Congress the stronger hand in national defense.

At 5:04 PM, Blogger Sick Boy said...


By DAVID BURNHAM, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (NYT) 1051 words Published: November 7, 1982

A Federal appeals court has ruled that the National Security Agency may lawfully intercept messages between United States citizens and people overseas,
even if there is no cause to believe the Americans are foreign agents, and then provide summaries of these messages to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Because the National Security Agency is among the largest and most secretive intelligence agencies and because millions of electronic messages enter and
leave the United States each day, lawyers familiar with the intelligence agency consider the decision to mark a significant increase in the legal authority
of the Government to keep track of its citizens.

Reverses 1979 Ruling

The Oct. 21 decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit involves the Government's surveillance of a Michiganborn lawyer, Abdeen
Jabara, who for many years has represented Arab-American citizens and alien residents in court. Some of his clients had been investigated by the F.B.I.

Mr. Jabara sued the F.B.I, and the National Security Agency, and in 1979 Federal District Judge Ralph M. Freeman ruled that the agency's acquisition of
several of Mr. Jabara's overseas messages violated his Fourth Amendment right to be free of ''unreasonable searches and seizures.'' Last month's decision
reverses that ruling.

In earlier court proceedings, the F.B.I. acknowledged that it then disseminated the information to 17 other law-enforcement or intelligence agencies and
three foreign governments.

The opinion of the three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals held, ''The simple fact remains that the N.S.A. lawfully acquired Jabara's messages.''

The court ruled further that the lawyer's Fourth Amendment rights ''were not violated when summaries of his overseas telegraphic messages'' were furnished
to the investigative bureau ''irrespective of whether there was reasonable cause to believe that he was a foreign agent.''
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Guess you forgot when Gorelick went before Congress in '94 sighting precedence when Clinton did it for political gains vice information gathering on clear and present dangers to our nation? Which is a bigger mistake; Tapping to gather information, finding none, and getting in trouble, or NOT tapping, getting hit, and getting in trouble for not preempting a hit?

At 5:36 AM, Blogger jeb bush said...

i grew up with stories of russia spying on it's citizens, secret prisons and torture. i was told these things were bad and now it we are doing the same thing - why isn't it bad now?

At 1:06 PM, Anonymous Mr. Bo Bo said...

Jeb, you answered your own question.

At 9:08 PM, Blogger wayTOtheRIGHT said...

Jeb our very uninformed blogmate.

Please once again find some facts.

Name ONE just one and only one U.S. citizen that has been jailed in a secret jail or has been spied upon.

Please if you can have some basis for your argument.

Since you believe that America is like the the Soviet Union you would appreiciate a one way ticket to Siberia. Maybe it would be better there than it is here.

At 5:54 AM, Blogger jeb bush said...

we don't need wiretapping. boy george had a memo weeks before 911 and the title of if was "bin laden determied to attach US" and boy george went on vacation and waytotheright, i guess you believe that secret prisons, spying and torture are ok - maybe you should move to siberia. i happen to like my country and i am not happy with what boy george is doing to it. the truth is out there - open your eyes - i can't hold your hand, somethings you have to do for yourself

At 9:20 PM, Blogger wayTOtheRIGHT said...

so you are convinced that there are secret prisons here in the U.S. housing U.S. citizens.

is that what you are saying?

do you believe that U.S. citizens are torturing other U.S. citizens?

is that what you are saying?


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